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Spencer Childs
To the 'Old' family
There's a fine line between Love and Hate....
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"Janice Carrera, Thalia Campbell, Ian Campbell and others are concerned
at the series of threats made by Spencer Childs by telephone and email
to them and their families.
These have escalated in frequency and intensity, the threats have now
reached an unacceptable level.
If these threats do not cease we will submit the existing and future emails and transcripts of telephone calls to the Police to be submitted to the CPS with a view to Criminal Prosecution under the" Bullying by Email" legislation." August 2009
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1.When Maurice Childs died Thalia colour photocopied all the family
photographs left in the house. She then gave copies of all of them then
shared the originals among the five children.
2. Spencer Childs had taken all the family photographs which should have been
shared among the five children,he was a photographer and was to have
developed the negatives and copied the originals.Both Lilian and Maurice
had this understanding with the five children.
He then sent Thalia CDs of some of the photographs, at no time were they
his property, he had taken them of the strict understanding with
Maurice and Lillian (when found out) that he would copy and share them
equally among the five children.
3. At no time was he in ownership undisputed of the originals.
4. At no time was he given an "assurance" about the photographs of the
generations.
5. All families have "family secrets", if only for medical reasons and
the Human Rights of the children they have an absolute right to know who
is their biological mother or father.
6. "Bright blaze of publicity" remember Jonathan Aitken, he harvested
what he sowed.
7. "This public space is far safer for me to make my points", it adds
another dimension to an important social document.
8. The rights of the male offspring to dictate family policy is long out
of date, and is unlawful under the Equal Rights Legislation and the
European Declaration of Human Rights.
9. Possession confers no copyright to property which should under the
terms of the wills should have been shared equaly among the five children.
Thalia D.Campbell Rutger The Green Pembroke SA71 4QE 01646621449
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The defamation, threats and abuse made to us were contained on a publicly accessible website using our Domain Name: Birdchildsandgoldsmith.co.uk
Full transcipts will be sent to Chilling Effects Clearing House when requested
Domain name:
birdchildsandgoldsmith.co.uk
Registrant:
maurice childs
Registrant type:
UK Individual
Registrant's address:
The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their
address omitted from the WHOIS service.
Relevant dates:
Registered on: 23-Jun-2007
Renewal date: 23-Jun-2011
Last updated: 24-Aug-2009
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ONE YEAR HAS PASSED AND NOT A SIGN OF A PERSONAL APOLOGY - -
WE SHALL NEVER FORGET THE DEFAMATION AND ABUSE........
( we were going through Hell this time last year - day after day after day -)
WHEN 'GENUINE' APOLOGIES AND EXPLANATIONS ARE RECEIVED IN WRITING
AS PROMISED, OR AN ARRANGED MEETING (AS RECOMMENDED BY A FAMILY MEMBER) OR SKYPE CALL HAS TAKEN PLACE TO DISCUSS, THIS PAGE AND ITS CONTENTS WILL BE HIDDEN FROM PUBLIC VIEW...
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This page is being trawled by Google and has received many hits from around the world
( Spencer Childs individual page and link to BCG no longer available on Google.co.uk
due to a Cease and Desist notice )
All our paperwork, with evidence, still lodged with our solicitor.
We await further developments
Last hit from abroad; Baton Rouge Louisiana USA
Also hits from the extended family in Birmingham & West Midlands area...comments have been received
Majority from Universities, Colleges and Educational establishments, extended family members
Most popular pages WW1 and 2 - Vegetarianism - Genetics - History Time Line - Education
Historical pages such as Greenham, Bird , Childs and Goldsmith History pages
Family sections of Campbell and Rothermel
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Janice had the most exciting time on 22nd June 2010 - she met up with her Rothermel
2nd cousin from Canada and her mother who lives in the UK. She heard many old stories and clarified many points. She had no idea that her father had so many relatives still alive. These secrets had been hidden from her and Alastair whilst they were growing up and deprived them from knowing a whole branch of their family.
All this came about by the Canadian side finding us through this website!
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Quote " I'd rather be hurt by the truth than protected by a lie"
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SPENCER CHILDS ( and his wife Barbara Childs)
RUINED our summer of 2009 with his Cyber Abuse and defamatory telephone calls
Six weeks of anguish and hell ....
"This public space is a far safer place for me to make my points. It has the bright blaze of publicity to ensure that nothing gets twisted."
"It is my copyright and you are a disgrace to the family " Spencer 8.07.09
NOTE:
Nothing on this website as far as we are aware is "twisted" we ask for corrections and amendments , those received and verified have been put into force immediately. Information and contributions from new extended family members we presume to be genuine.
Not surprising that older members of the Bird family a few years ago advised Janice not to
give Spencer 'House Room'.
Cyber Bullying is usually associated with teenagers not grown men, many new websites have recently been launched for support aimed at addressing the problem...
We urge you to seek immediate professional advice and help if it happens to you.
Don't suffer like we did........
We would like to sincerely thank all the family and friends who have supported us
during and after the ordeal and who continue to help with the research and contribute to the website. Much interesting material has been discovered which has been witheld from the site because of sensitivities and is being held on file as hard copies.
It is so sad that the 'old' family are unable to collaborate due to mistrust,
misunderstandings, abuse and fear - plus according to Spencer hatred of Janice....
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THROWING EMAILS BACK - THE RUDEST THING EVER !
It's been going on since early 2004, being brutish long before the advent of this website !
An email to his wife cc'd to Janice....
"Ive decided that, to avoid any further unpleasantness, Im going to block her email accounts forthwith from both our accounts or, if necessary, change our addresses. We just dont need any more of this divisive and mischievous stuff.
On another topic, those strange phone calls are still happening fairly regularly but I guess one day they'll stop. "
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It was Sue's suggestion to Janice on the phone that she should keep sending emails and letters as " he has these episodes but would ' come round eventually ' even if it took a few months " Wishful thinking - the situation became worse as the years rolled on .......
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PLUS BLOCKING ON FACEBOOK
HOW FRIENDLY!
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Why be angry bitter and sad ?
Happiness is a lifestyle choice
'Everyone says forgiveness is a lovely idea,
until they have something to forgive'.....CS Lewis
Just before Dad died I copied all the family photos in the house using
the colour copying at a shop in Babbacombe, he thought Christmas had
come! It cost £200.00 and took two days. All the family were great and
promptly paid their share. He kindly did a few large ones free which I
took into Hospital for Dad. This enabled all the family to share the
originals and have good copies of the other photos. We all spread them
on the floor to make sure we got it right.We counted the paintings,
drawings amd photos on the walls. I took adhesive spots to the funeral
and all the family could choose a colour and stick their share of spots
on which things they wanted and any clashes could be resolved amicably
and it was. Everything was shared between the five of us.
I filmed the house and all the art work in situ and Hamish with the help
of grandchildren did interviews with all the family.
Angus with the sociable emotional time ate too much and ended up in
Torbay Hospital for a week.
Thalia
See PDF for the first page of a series of documents which became more abusive
and threatening as the weeks rolled on......
All the documents now lodged with our Solicitor which remain on file
This pdf was the start of our harrowing experience of daily abuse, rudeness
and defamation of character which began on 8.07.09 and ended on 24.08.09
affecting the health and wellbeing of those family members who were targetted.
"By the way, I'm a bird, I'm a childs, and I'm a goldsmith, Not many people on the site
can claim that" Spencer
Eight members of the Devon branch of the Childs family can claim this - plus all their children and grandchildren - totalling quite a number of family members...........
This is why you should feature prominently throughout the site
instead of only on three or four pages out of 298
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CLIMB DOWN
"I've not meant to imply that you cannot use my photographs derived from Maurice's negatives. Please feel free to use them on your BCG site. I'm sorry if that was not clear, I realise that would be a major part of your site". Spencer 18.08.09
They possibly were a major part initially when we needed a core base of family photos to build the site. These have been superceded in number with all the contributions from the extended family.
See Spencer's Photography site.....
click to view
Not the same Hand
Calligraphy expert has reported - Barbara Childs ??
Please prove us wrong!
WE HAVE LETTERS CARDS AND NOTES AND NEITHER OF THE ABOVE
SIGNATURES MATCH ANYTHING WE HAVE ON FILE
We are still awaiting bona fide Solicitor's witnessed letters of explanation and an apology as promised to Janice Carrera and Thalia Campbell. ....Deadline Thursday 15th October 2009
- NOW LONG PASSED!
This sort of thing has been tried before - a communication to the website
using bogus contact details - name address telephone number etc
18.08.09 - Please await our responses via solicitor-witnessed-signature letters
19.08.09 - I'll be more clear when I write a letter to you. SC
On one of your sites, which you accused us of stealing, we note there are many copyrighted photographs displayed - did you obtain permission in writing for them all ?
"Copyright registration may perhaps be best thought of as insurance in case your work is used without permission. In the event of an infringement, proving copyright can be a difficult matter. The independent witnessing service provided by UKCS gives strong independent evidence of date and content of the work, helping you to prove ownership of the work.
If your work is registered with the UK Copyright Service, the independent evidence your registration provides gives you the best possible chance of proving your case. Effectively forcing the other party to provide similar evidence which predates your registration if they are to have any chance of defending their position."
I got hold of HMG full copyright document.
It makes interesting reading, and some of it is a bit vague, but it's mainly aimed at protecting commercial mis-use of works of art etc. even then a lot of things are not generally covered,
Mike I. Nov '09
Grateful thanks to Mike for his advice and support through all this trauma...
PEOPLE HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO KNOW ABOUT THEIR ORIGINS - ABOVE ALL FOR THEIR GENETIC HEALTH
"I hate you and the whole family hate you for creating this website, my sister thinks you are 'despicable 'and my wife and two sons say you are 'stark raving mad' . With such a site manager we are all in danger of having absolutely anything up there and without redress"
(telephone conversation July 2007)
Hate speech should never be encouraged ....
"Hate crime is unacceptable and has a very damaging effect on victims. Kent Police will seek the maximum penalty in each case. The force urges people to report hate crimes so that they can be fully investigated"
It's been going on for years.......................
The last 'half decent' and polite email Janice received from Spencer was dated 14.01.2004
A new onslaught was launched in July 2009 for six weeks which escalated daily with over 30 amendments in the first 15 days. becoming more & more abusive until it became intolerable and unacceptable.
"Janice has been rejected by most of her "old" family including myself. Are we ALL mean spirited? are we ALL unreasonable? are we ALL wrong?" 23.07.09
Yes you ARE, the "old" family have not looked at the site for five years or followed any of the updates , so how can they make a judgement? Yes, you are especially 'MEAN SPIRITED' , you should be happy that extented lost family members have been in touch via the site. We have moved on .You and the "old" family have not. These new family members are keen to participate and contribute. All have had nothing but praise for the site and are delighted to read all the research we have carried out. If the "old" family had let us know what they had found objectional instead of being so obnoxious things could have been rectified years ago.
The rejection is reciprocated after all the rudeness and demands ...We have now ceased informing the "old" family of interesting new updates, only to be ignored and our messages thrown back into our faces. You have all been left behind.....For example you are all missing out from being in contact with the Goldsmith family throughout the world, such lovely caring and supportive people, horrified at what you have put Janice, Thalia and Ian through last summer. I should have taken the advice of older members of the family from the beginning and not have given any of you 'house room'
We receive 2 or 3 enquiries weekly, many hits from schools, colleges and government departments on our War and other Historical pages
"I live in Memphis, Tennessee, USA. My grandfather was Joseph Fortas, a brother of Clara Fortes, connected to the Slome family. I have a photograph of Elya Kopel, Joseph and Clara's grandmother, taken in Melitopol, Russia. I'm working on a Fortas family tree-that's how I found your website." Marcia
This is the sort of compliment we receive WEEKLY...
You have got an extraordinary good website. It reads like kind of history book. H
Hello , my name is angela and I am descended from the east lulworth Champs .the furthest back I can find my Champs is Richard b 1745c , but i'm not sure where . he may have been the richard who " ran the weld arms " butI I can't prove it yet . I have just found your site today and I find it very interesting . thankyou , angela
First, let me compliment you on your fascinating family website. I have spent a number of hours reading the stories and information you have put together, and although we are not exactly blood-related, I now feel as if I actually know you and some of the members of the family. I'm working on a memoir of my immediate family just for my children and grandchildren, but the family tree I'm doing is not nearly as ambitious as yours. USA
Thank you for the opportunity to read your fascinating site. It really is amazing and appears to have taken on a life of its own! SP Canada
I must thank you for the wonderful section on my family that you have put on the website JK
So grateful Janice for your research I could not have done it. (Bovey family)
Thank you so much for getting back to me, and for letting me see the amazing web-site that you and the family have. It really must have taken so much hard work to get all that information together. (Rumsey family) 23.11.09
Here's wishing you and your family a great Christmas and a prosperous new year.
Thanks for everything you have done - it was all very interesting. MI 24.12.09
I had the opportunity to visit the Bird, Childs, Goldsmith website today. What a wonderful site. I put a link on the Rothermels in America site. See the Links page under the Genealogy heading. Thank you for alerting us to this nicely documented website. Bob Rothermel
10.04.10
See more on the Testimonials page !!
click to view
It is important to realise that Blaming is fun. Anger is fun. Hatred is fun and like any pleasurable activity you get hooked on it...M Scott Peck - Psychiatrist USA
Secrets hold a destructive power and should be shared and learned from. The truth doesn't necessarily set you free, but don't live your life enslaved by secrets....
Adult Cyber Bullies
Adult bullies are unable to cope with their own lives and problems. They are easily intimidated and have strong feelings of jealousy and inadequacy. They are most always desperate to receive attention that they do not receive at home or in relationships. They seek to attempt to discredit those who are more knowledgeable, talented, educated, and/or influential. Even though many of them cognitively understand when they have behaved wrongly, they still wish to appear as though they are morally superior. They will insist that others have attacked them. They will lead a group to bandwagon, or gang up on a target with them, and seek to gain attention for themselves by any means possible, usually through humiliating their target. Although they can be charming, they are vindictive and manipulative liars. In an attempt to justify their behaviors, they will often defer to a higher authority, i.e. God, the law, the boss, important or influential people in society. They are unable to internalize their own behaviors and become angry and unreasonable when someone attempts to point out how they were wrong or how their behavior was unacceptable.
Cyber bullies are dangerous because they often start out as very friendly. However, upon gaining trust, they become increasingly aggressive and hostile to those in their circle of influence. They begin to target more people and begin to turn on people in their own group. Once they turn on people in their own circle, they have already accumulated personal information, from photos to addresses to full names, and are able to inflict serious personal and professional damage.
The abuse, bullying and emotional blackmail has been going on for years via emails ( on file ) and telephone calls but it is now totally unacceptable having been displayed in the public domain...........
The rival website using our domain name is registered and remains a threat
until 23 June 2011
Plus an ongoing threat with this statement
21-07-09 12:50 - I've this whole site up under a different name should there be a
problem, which legally there is not - so I'll probably keep both SC
The main users of .eu domains are websites with pan-European or cross-border intentions and audiences. It is often used to emphasise the 'European identity' of a website, as opposed to the website having a strictly national ccTLD or global "dotcom" nature.
Link to Spencer's .eu site....
click to view
You can shred photographs and burn albums - but the internet remembers and those who place material on it, whether images or text, may have little recourse when
they want to delete it ... Steven Puetzer/Getty
When it's all said and done, there's is nothing you can do to prevent the downloading of images from a publicly accessible web site. After all, that is how a web page and all it's images are presented to the browser -- by downloading. Once the visitor can see your image on their screen it is already on their hard drive.
THE RESOLUTION OF ALL THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND ART WORK DISPLAYED ON THIS SITE IS FAR TOO SMALL FOR THEM TO BE REPRODUCED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES - CREDIT IS GIVEN TO THE PHOTOGRAPHER'S, ARTIST'S AND AUTHOR'S NAMES WHEREVER POSSIBLE
According to Mike Insall a professional photographer " Generally, most old stuff is out of CR, but the real thing is that CR photos may not be used for commercial purposes.
It is normally the done thing to credit any photo with the photographers name "
The fact that they (photos) are in the public domain and not used for commercial gain means in reality there is not much anyone can do about it!
There is no commercial gain and he allowed you free access etc etc. Cheers, Mike
We can zoom up and see your blue front door look through your windows and into your back yard with Google Street View - what's private about that ??
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from Spencer......
For a prolonged period, BCG had a link to a search result on Google. A search result that was so finely honed down that it only hit on my name. It presented all aspects of my activity on the web over all of my web life - 15 years. What a spurious thing to do. How random,
how disrespectful.
Over the years you have published most of my personal data including my mother's maiden name and a scan of my signature. I hope you're ready to compensate me when my bank is emptied. I must warn all others about your indiscrete use of peoples' personal data.
Such crass behaviour
"How can anybody contribute to your site where such behaviour is rife? " Spencer
(Individual page and link to BCG no longer available due to a Cease and Desist notice
after a Defamation Complaint) 21.07.10
I've been thinking about Privacy and how its used as emotional blackmail and control, Privacy can be a bullying way of trying to re order the natural pecking order ...with men often with a dose of ageism and mysogyny Thalia
KNOWLES HILL SCHOOL
Another instance where we were deceived
24.08.05 So sorry you are taking this site down as well, most of your family attended the school. Such memories for you all. Can any of it be transferred to the BCG site as a new section so it can continue, at least in part? Janice
"Dear Janice,
The Knowles Hill site is alive and well - I have no intention of taking it down. At this moment it is up on both old and new addresses, which follow this note. I would be very grateful if you would not duplicate it since I fully intend to service it with any new information that comes my way, as I did very recently with the stuff that Thalia sent" Spencer Oct 2005
If only......................
Webdisc passed to MIke Insall early 2006
"Having set up and operated the site dedicated to the great School, Spencer
has now found he is unable to devote enough time to continue running it.
He has therefore asked me to take it over, which I have agreed to do for a while anyway."
Mike still has your CD !!
A link to Mike Insall's photography site .....
Click to view
- No copyright notices -
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03.08.09 " We only ask for our privacy, " ????? A strange statement taking into consideration Spencer's new website displaying everything about himself on the world wide web stretching back 35 years ........
Photography · Electronic Design · Poetry · Biography · Links ·
Personal Projects - a full CV on line. A Swansong?
Link to website...
click to view
"I take the theft of my original work very seriously and draw your attention to the fact that it is protected under UK copyright law."
You may take it seriously - but what do you propose to do?
Who on earth would want to steal your work ???? It's SO expensive to sue...
Things have advanced in electronics and photography in 35 years !
Nothing posted on the BCG website is for monetary gain, it is for the enjoyment of family and friends and those carrying out research
In the digital age, everything we say, do and write is preserved forever. Aren't there some things we'd rather forget ?
" HURT PEOPLE, HURT PEOPLE"
One example of a threat received before the launch of this website
"Finally, whatever I write to you comes back to me in a victorious postcard
and as a jibe from your new friend / cousin. So I'll not write to you
anymore on that count too. But you have my permission to send her this one.
Tell her for me that If she doesn't stop bombarding me with nasty cards
and text messages, that I will copy all her cards and her emails to all the
family including her husband. For, as she is so keen on telling us all
"everyone should know everything". It should make interesting reading." 28.07.2005
"If any of my facts in this document are found to be wrong I will remove them immediately and issue an apology" SC .......Not received yet.... We are still waiting
Good perhaps, to remember the happy times you said you enjoyed so much !
The sharing of Bob Segar tracks
A Great pub lunch!
Janice still has the friendly enthusiastic emails !!
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